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16vconvert
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converting this table

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How would one go about converting this table into something MS can use ?

MS2 ver 3.0 2.35fw mt 2.25 edis4
90 2.5l Turbo dodge 15psi IC

Thanks in advance, Jeremy

heheh, I made a pun....
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Post by Jim »

These MAP values are in PSIg , the g means gauge , that means that
ZERO on the gauge is 14.5 PSIa , the a means absolute .

Atmospheric pressure is 14.5 PSI absolute , and Zero PSI gauge .

When using KiloPascals it's much simpler , 100kPa = Atmospheric pressure or zero PSIg .

Here's how the numbers came out of my conversion calculator :

First change all the numbers from PSIg to PSIa .

14,12,10,8,6,4,2,0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14 these are the numbers you have .

28,26,24,22,20,18,16,14,12,10,8,6,4,2,0 this is converted to PSIa .

193,179,165,151,137,124,110,96,82,68,55,41,27,13,0

These are the numbers converted to kPa .
Print out your chart and write these numbers in .

I don't know WHAT kind of drugs they were on when they made this table .
Reading vacuum in negative PSI guage ????? WHAT????
Everybody has been using kPa for over 20 years .

You will not need the numbers on the low pressure end (13 and 0)
this is approaching a perfect vacuum .

Don't be too concerned about getting the conversion perfect ,
your setup is probably not 100% stock anyway and you will have to
make some guestimations .

I would setup your MAP bins like this :

20,30,40,50,60,80,100,120,140,160,180,200

And then look at the advance numbers in the general area you are working on ,
on your paperwork , and then average them .

REMEMBER this is only a starting point ,
if you run your engine into detonation you will destroy it ,
but if you don't dial in enough advance your engine will be a dog and suck gas .
16vconvert
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Thank you Jim !

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I've been tinkering with the dodge 2.2l & 2.5l Tbi and turbo engines and always using a stock cal or an upgraded cal from outside vendors, back a while i came across the edis section, got interested and set it up (pic's soon)

but i came across this table on d-cal and figured it was a good starting point so tuning the fuel would be a little easier task, i just didn't understand how to do the conversions , i'm a nut's&bolt kinda guy, it's amazing i've gotten this far with MS yet, is summer easier to tune in ?

Quick question i'm sorry if it's off forum, But If i have a complete o2 sensor set from a 04 volvo, 1st are they WB, 2nd Do i have to get seperate controller or can MS Directly read output ?
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Post by Jim »

It can be very dangerous running a turbo and just trusting that your
Advance Table will be "OK" , if you run into Detonation , and you don't
realize it and back of right away , your engine could have seconds to live .

Summer is when you really have to watch for Detonation , it is easier ,
no warm-up hassles .

Even if the Volvo 02s are Wide Band , the expensive part is the controller .

Around $200.oo for an Innovate Controller and Sensor from this guy :

http://www.diyautotune.com/

That's what I use , works great .

You NEED WB 02 .

MS-III or UltraMS will (big maybe) have a built in WB Controller .
Right now MS needs a separate controller for WB 02 .
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Post by 16vconvert »

I don't know WHAT kind of drugs they were on when they made this table .
Reading vacuum in negative PSI guage ????? WHAT????
Everybody has been using kPa for over 20 years .



the 2.2 was lifted from the VW design, i believe they just copyed the maps also, I dunno How long was the rabbit made b4 chrysler got the plans

Ohh yeah BTW picked up an LC1 from diyautotune (super fast ninja speedy delivery) have it currently setup on my In-laws mustang 3.8 MS2pcb30 fw 2.3 mt 2.25 I love AFR, my dodge has a narrow band o2 that i'm reading but as i've read it's harder to tune w/ a NB O2, To tune the lower portion of my VE map i've disconnected the Upper IC Hose put a filter on the TB and am currently Running NO Boost,

Thanks a bunch on the conversions sprk feels much better , will keep the board updated....
Jeremy
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