Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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I want to convert a 1992 BMW R100RT to EFI.

The crank drives the alternator directly, so the degree wheel would mount on the face of the Alternator rotor and the sensor would be on the face of the alternator housing.

I would like to run a 36-2 wheel.

I am worried about the RF interference from the Alternator. How do you deal with this? Should I use Hall or VR?

Here's apic of the alternator

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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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I think you need to speak to Lorne aka R100RT, but it looks like you can fit something using the centre bolt on the slip ring. I don't know if the alternator noise would affect things, but if you are using the newer v3 MicroSquirt, I would think the discriminatory circuits would work ok.

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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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24c wrote:I think you need to speak to Lorne aka R100RT, but it looks like you can fit something using the centre bolt on the slip ring. I don't know if the alternator noise would affect things, but if you are using the newer v3 MicroSquirt, I would think the discriminatory circuits would work ok.

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Hi,
Heh, Lorne is helping me a lot. He mentioned posting here for some suggestions.

Here's a better pic:

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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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I don't know how much clearance you have between the alternator cover and the slip ring, but underneath you have the ignition box. This looks a little too small, but maybe you could get a simple wheel inside here, although it would be rotating at cam speed IIRC.
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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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The canister on the cam is going to be converted to a sequential signal.
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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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That's what people over here are using to adapt Ignitech ignitions to the airhead:
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Something similar should work for the µS also. No known problems with generator interference so far.

Btw: don't you think the old lady deserves a little more of your affections? Pretty rusty :shock: . No offense :D !

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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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mfro wrote:That's what people over here are using to adapt Ignitech ignitions to the airhead:
igni.jpg
Something similar should work for the µS also. No known problems with generator interference so far.

Btw: don't you think the old lady deserves a little more of your affections? Pretty rusty :shock: . No offense :D !

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Hi, Thanx for that info. Do you tell them what type of wheel you want and they make you one?

That pic is not of my bike. I found it online to illustrate what I was referring to. :mrgreen:
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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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les_garten wrote:...Do you tell them what type of wheel you want and they make you one?
I thought that engine pic was too clean! Anyway, if you want a trigger, you can get them laser cut, no problem, but you need to find a sensor first that you can mount in position, and this will determine the size of the teeth etc.

Nice pic of the igniTech, just what I was thinking re mounting on the slip ring. :)
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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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24c wrote:
les_garten wrote:...Do you tell them what type of wheel you want and they make you one?
I thought that engine pic was too clean! Anyway, if you want a trigger, you can get them laser cut, no problem, but you need to find a sensor first that you can mount in position, and this will determine the size of the teeth etc.

Nice pic of the igniTech, just what I was thinking re mounting on the slip ring. :)
Do you think you need any extra shielding measures?

Also, I was worried about the wheel slipping?
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Re: Help with Triggerwheel suggestions

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Clearance to the stock cover is not much, probably in the range of 1/2" to 3/4", but if that simple set up with single tooth wheel works I'd be tempted to design your wheel along that basis.
Not sure if your proposed alternator upgrade had the permanent magnet style rotor, if so you might want to post that image for all to see, although I guess magnetic fields are magnetic fields regardless how their developed.

Regarding slippage, a wheel like that is so small that mass will be minimal and the puckering force developed by the retaining bolt (longer than stock for that) to the rotor center would probably keep it pretty well nailed in place.
Or, you could sandwich a waffle washer, or star washer between those surfaces to create some bite to ensure no movement develops.
You could be close to a solution there.
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