Squirting a Yamaha SECA 750 - any advice appreciated

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SQLGUY
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Squirting a Yamaha SECA 750 - any advice appreciated

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Hi all,

Like a number of other people here, I've got a bike I like, but with carburetors I hate. The bike is a 1982 Yamaha SECA 750 (I4 aircooled). The carburetors are 32mm Hitachis, for which parts are prettty much unavailable.

I bought one of the first 10 or so Microsquirts to be made available, and have finally started working on the rest of the project. I am trying to do this largely as a salvage yard project, so a lot of the parts are whatever I was able to find at the local scrapyard.

My plan is to use a fuel rail and injectors from a Hyundai Accent, as the injectors line up nearly perfectly with my intake ports. I also plan to use a single throttle body and a custom manifold, rather than ganged throttle bodies (how much downside am I likely to see from this in terms of high RPM power loss?).

Here's a picture of the (not yet completed - yes, it's copper) manifold and the fuel rail. I still need to make and install the throttle body mounting flange and injector ports on the manifold.

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Originally I was planning to use Ford parts for the thottle body, IAV, etc, since I started this before Microsquirt was available and I was going to do the whole thing from scrap, but I have since decided that a Chevy Cavalier throttle body would be easier, as it has the IAV integrated. I'm going out this morning to try to find one.

I've got a Walbro P532 fuel pump that a friend gave me. It may be overkill, but it's nice and small, so I hope it will work out OK.

For ignition I was planning to use the two VR pickups off the crank and drive the wasted spark coils directly from the MicroSquirt. The MicroSquirt case is actually a near-perfect fit in place of the original CDI unit, so mounting is taken care of.

I would appreciate any advise or warnings. I am especially interested in ideas/tips about installation of the CLT sensor and O2 sensor.

Thanks,
Paul
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Rather than a Cavalier throttle body, I picked up one...

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from a '94 Saturn. The Cavalier one seemed to be one piece with the manifold, while the Saturn is quite compact and looks like it will be a good fit. It even should work with my stock throttle cable.

I'll post some more pics once I get the flange plate done on the manifold.
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Arghh! Stepper motor!

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So, I just found out that the conveniently incorporated IAC in the Saturn throttle body is a stepper motor, and I can't use that with MicroSquirt.

(Saturn TB with its IAC installed, and Ford IAC)
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So, the choices I have are to plug the IAC socket in the GM throttle body and use that, use the Ford throttle body, or search for a 3rd choice.

(Ford Tempo TB)
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These two TB's, FWIW, are about the same length and are both 50mm. The GM has a cable connection that is more suited for a motorcycle cable, but the Ford has a lighter spring, which may be a good thing here.

In either of the first two cases, I'd need to construct an intermediate plenum onto which I could attach the Ford IAC (first photo).

Any other ideas? Do some other manufacturers (Nissan?, Honda?) have integrated IACs that will work with MicroSquirt? Does anyone make a PWM IAC that would plug in to the GM throttle body?

Thanks,
Paul[/img]
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One other question

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I see that MicroSquirt now supports MAF sensors.

Originally, when I was planning to do this project by hacking an EEC-IV box, I had planned to use the original Ford Tempo sensors, and so I have that MAF sensor.

Once I switched to doing this with MicroSquirt, I had to switch to MAP, so I bought the MPX4250 when I got my MS.

Other than the manifold, nothing's been built yet, so, now that both are available, which would be the best choice for my project:

MAP, MAF, or MAP/MAF blend?
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Update...

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I got the injector sockets mostly done, and have also found another throttle body I like better than the first two. The new one is from a 1997 Ford Escort, and has the idle air control integrated into the throttle body. It also has a more motorcycle-style cable attachment and, being smaller in diameter, may provide some better throttle control for this smaller engine.

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Next task will be the mounting flange for the manifold and the adaptor plate between the manifold and throttle body. I got some 1/4" copper for the flange and some 1/2" aluminum from which to machine the adaptor.
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Latest progress...

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Here's the manifold, throttle body, throttle body adaptor plate, and fuel rail with injectors installed on the bike. Next steps are to fit a custom throttle cable and start wiring up the ECU.

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I still haven't figured out where I'm going to mount the CLT (OT in this case) and HEGO, but I've got some ideas at least.
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