Ethanol injectors/pump/regulator

bohalrantipol · Post by **bohalrantipol** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:05 pm

I am in the process of building a 914 engine (stroked and bored out to 2.7 liter). It will have a compression ratio of about 13:1. I kinda built it originally with the intentions of putting race gas through it, but recent aquisitions of brewing equipment has sent me down the path of ethanol. the cooling effect for my engine would be phenomenol also since these engines are notorious for heat associated damage. The question i have for you guys is what adjustments i need to make? What size injectors should i go with? and what kind of treatments should i do the the fue ltank/lines to make it more "compatible"? Also I have an aeromotive a1000 regulator, and i do not know if that is ethanol compatible, plus i need a pump. any comments would be greatly appreciated. I am have not set up the megasquirt system yet is there any changes to that design that i need to do? I am also planning on running a wideband O2 sensor with the inova

bohalrantipol · Post by **bohalrantipol** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:06 pm

inovative controller sorry, and it is in a 1978 914, so plastic lines, steel tank etc.
Thanks

schmidt · Post by **schmidt** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:54 pm

Hi,

Ethanol injectors are ~ 30 - 40% bigger than Gasoline injectors... About the steel tank, just clean it very well and you're good (ethanol takes all the dirt that gas don't). Make shure that you don't have rust on it...
You won't have any problems with plastic lines too.

Is your 914 engine air-cooled ? Here in Brazil most of racing VW boxer engines runs with gas due the high ethanol consumption, so if you don't care about this, go ahead ! (we have ethanol on the gas station

)

FYI, you MUST have a fuel pump that can support ethanol !

Cheers
Daniel[/quote]

bohalrantipol · Post by **bohalrantipol** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:04 pm

yeah it is aircooled type 4 engine. I am actually gonna make my own ethanol, got some pretty decent science equipment at my disposal so i hope to be ablt to manufacture some decent quality stuff. About the pump, what do you recommend? I have been haveing problems finding one suitable.

schmidt · Post by **schmidt** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:21 pm

You can try one from K-Jetronic systems (VW fox pump), people here used to use them on drag racing due it's high flow(nowdays they run with aeromotive), but I don't know how long it can deal with ethanol...

Maybe you can try one from Chevy Flexfuel trucks, I'm pretty shure that a pump that can resist to E85 can run E100 without any issue.

If you don't care about your current fuel pump, just wash the tank, put a new fuel filter (and change every 5k miles). It'll work, but you don't know for how long ... I know people running with stock gas pumps with ethanol for 100.000 Km, but it seems more lucky than any other thing.

Sry about my english.

Cheers

bohalrantipol · Post by **bohalrantipol** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:10 am

English is fine, mine is just as bad and its supposed to be mynative language. Thanks for the help.

flyinhillbilly · Post by **flyinhillbilly** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:11 pm

so is the only diffrence the size of the injectors, or are the seals made of a diffrent material? i'm looking at some 96 lb/hr injectors made by venom, i found on ebay, i'm looking for something that can handle methanol for my soon to be turbo ( nitrous now ) 406.

flyinhillbilly · Post by **flyinhillbilly** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:04 pm

i asked the seller and they said the injectors are compatable with methanol.

guess i should have done that first

bohalrantipol · Post by **bohalrantipol** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:10 am

those are some big injectors. So are all of venoms products compatible with methanol/ethanol? I am still kinda in the market.

flyinhillbilly · Post by **flyinhillbilly** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:08 am

yea, they are huge, but they're gonna have to be if i'm going to reach my goal of 1000 rwhp, as far as i know all of them are compatable with methanol, i'd ask just to be sure.